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Considering adding reef point in main sail
Thomas Asbury

Can anyone offer guidance on the pros and cons of adding a reef point in the main sail? If pro, any directions on location of the reef points and rigging? We regularly sail in 15 knots wind, but in 17-18 knots I'd like the option to lower the main just a bit. I have a roller furling jib and that helps.

Thanks

Tad

Zeke Durica
Get a No 2 for your furler and forget the reef points. 

Zeke. 

James Knape
I have raced Ensigns over 40 years. I sure wish we had reefs required in the class rules. There have been many occasions where racing was canceled due to high winds. Yet if we had a deep reef available in the main we could have safely sailed.  My take is rules should prescribe all sales to have the same size reef. And if the wind is too high the RC requires all boats to reef.  That way it's still one design .   It's a shame to travel to a regatta and even local  local races and loose time on the water to too much wind. Plus the huge benefit for day sailing .  Carrying 3 different sizes of jibs and the effort to change them is a pain in the arse. As well as being dangerous to do on the water in certain situations.  Reefing is a far better cost effective option to sail in heavy air
 We should only allow two head sails the  1 and 3.   That's my two cents
Jim Knape 
Lickety Split  1576


Thomas Asbury

Thanks all this is very helpful. I'm a member of fleet, 84, established in 2020. We're on Little Traverse Bay, Lake Michigan where August winds kick up into the mid to upper teens and 1-3 ft waves regularly. Fantastic sailing conditions, but a reef in the main will make the pleasure sailing, sometimes with less experienced crew, easier for sure. (If and when (hopefully) we start racing, guess I'll just need to buy a new non-reefed main!)


For those who have installed the reef points, it is best placed at about 12 inches? 16 inches? above the foot of the sail?

Tad

Nicholas Lubar
I lean towards having reef points for certain sailing conditions and certain situations - basically those described by others already.  The reef lowers the center of effort and dramatically reduces heeling. 

We should remember that the original design intentionally had an end of boom mainsheet attachment so that the sail could be roller reefed.  At the time, CCA boats all relied on reefing and smaller jibs to handle heavier conditions.  The Ensign was designed in that vein.

While I would rarely use a reef, there are times when it would be welcome.  My plan is to take an older main that is in need of repair and to have a single reef built in.  As for the question about where the reef point should be, I would suggest that it be a little below the lowest batten - not sure how many inches.

Nick Lubar
Ensign #1556
Fleet #29 Cleveland, Ohio

Robert Panico
Nick brought up an interesting comment about the end boom sheeting on the original design. Is it also true that the original Ensign design did not have as large of #1 genoa as we sail with today? I have heard that the fleets on the north shore of Long Island - that get little wind in the summer - asked for more sail?  
Vic Roberts

Tad,

 

I can’t give pros and cons about reefing the main, but Section 8(G)(4) of ECA Rules Part II says this about reefing points:

 

“Rows of reefing grommets (or tie lines) may be placed anywhere on the sail beyond a vertical distance of 12" from the boom. These shall be used exclusively for reefing purposes and never for tensioning purposes. Moreover, a partial reef is not allowed; if a reef is taken, it must be taken all the way to a row of grommets.”

 

A copy of the Rules part II is attached.

 

Vic Roberts

 

Thomas Asbury
Thank you, very helpful

Steve Wnuk

I can relate to your inquiry. Several years ago I was introduced to reefing Ensign mains while crewing as a guest at the Milwaukee Community Sailing Center. They used a jiffy reef procedure. I was impressed with how well the reefed-main boats handled in really stiff breeze. 


Yet many of the mains in our fleet don’t even have reef points. I recently purchased a new main from a well-known national brand and specified reef points. The order was accepted without comment/modification, but the sail arrived without reef points. So, I asked a local rep/sailmaker to install them. He declined, stating (in short) the sail was optimized for racing, and that installing reef points would compromise some of its performance characteristics. I didn’t insist and now in high winds we generally sail with full main and #2 Genoa. 


Roughly two weeks ago our local winds kicked up to the 15-20 kt range, a SCA was issued, and sail racing was curtailed for our fleet. Rather than go home, we rigged and reefed an older mainsail, hanked on the #2 genoa, and went out to see what we could do sailing JAM. Despite the conditions, it was a very comfortable outing. Heel remained reasonable, the boat handled very well and was easy to manage. Boat speed was respectable both up and down wind, often at 5-6 kts. On many points of sail, I found I could release the tiller and have crew steer by sails alone. Maybe we just don’t have the right skill set, but we simply can’t do that (steer by sails alone under high wind conditions) with full main and # 2 genoa sail combination.


I’m a fan of reefed-main/#2 Genoa combination under high wind conditions. I suppose it’s not competitive for racing, yet it’s comfortable and safe for times when cruising with family, are out with inexperienced crew, or simply don’t want to get punished by extreme conditions.  


Steve

Ensign 947

Robert Panico
We use an Ensign for sailing lessons at our club. We are on the Great South Bay of Long Island and 15+ is very common. I recently had a discussion with the sailing instructor who uses the boat and we are going to add a set of reef points to one of the mains. Even though we use a Blade jib for instruction, they are still overpowered. Also the crew weight with young students is not enough to hold the boat down. We are also looking into lazy jacks to make the instructors job a little easier. A local sailmaker, familiar with the Ensign, said the location of the reef points would reduce the sail area approx. 24%.          
John Burnap
We race PHRF in Narragansett Bay/ RI at RIYC and sail our boat #1633 for fun in the bay as well, often single handed or with two, while we race with four. Not uncommon to have some gusty days over 18knots where we felt overpowered especially when just cruising, so we ordered our new main from Thurston/ Quantum Sails in Bristol RI with reef points for a first reef (tack, clew, bunt lines). We've started a race or two with the reef in and then shook it out as evening winds diminished (common here) but we particularly love the reef for cruising days with guests. 

John

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Doug Hanks
Such a plus with guests. Agree. I use my reefing in Miami quite a bit.  



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